2012 Vanier Cup

Discussion in 'Calgary Dinos and CIS Talk' started by deuvl, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. deuvl

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    It's early and there are no dinos but it should still be quite a hoot. hope my iPhone works in the stands.
     
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    They've sold 27,000 seats all in the lower bowl so far for this game.
     
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    oh boy it's gonna be nuts.

    30,000 now sold. the 500 section just opened with tickets at 40 dollars all included.

    Trying to break the 1989 record of 32,847.
     
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    The ground is tilted so much in favour of Laval that it's a joke. Give the financial resourses Laval gets to top CIS programs across Canada. Let other CIS teams do what Laval does & I bet that the Rouge et Or wouldn't dominate like they do now.
     
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    Mac put up a valiant struggle, especially in the first half but were out-manned and out-muscled buy larger, faster, stronger and more vicious athletes. Even Q the Quinlan was rendered mostly impotent by a strong French rush. Even Duane Forde noted the Laval Hog-line was almost pro-ready - - - interesting to note Winnipeg's GM is not attending the game, not even present for the Grey Cup. Whats up wid dat?

    Wonder how Jade Etienne would have fared in this game? Ah, probably no different than how he's fared the last two years in pro ball.
     
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    It's Joe Mack. Did you expect anything else?? Why am I not surprised?
     
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    The Bombastic Bombers are in such organizational disarray they are forced to carry the burden of Slow Talkin' Joe's salary. The optics of firing another man, especially in the aftermath massive contract payouts to Doog Berry, Mike Kelly, Lyle, Hodgkinson, Plop, etc. is simply unacceptable to the local community - and the media would have a field day.

    Widely reported yesterday the Garthstapo (Garth Buchko) had lunch with DuDu Forde (I think someone snapped some twitter pics). Begs the question - Why is the CEO hiring an assistant GM, without the GM participating? Answer: Its Winnipeg - You do things bass ackwards here!
     
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    Sorry. iPhone didn't work. Only the last 3 minutes of the first half was threadworthy anyway.
     
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    Back to Vanier....
    Neither QB impressed me much.
    Quinlan might have a career in lingerie football. Seriously, he's an excellent CIS QB but his throwing arc is NOT conducive to defeating 4.5 and 4.6 speed DB Ballhawks who are trained to eyeball errant long-arcing footballs. He'd be a pick machine in the CFL. But I wouldn't put it past a couple teams, especially Hamilton or Montreal (or Ottawa in a year or two) to put him on the roster as a developmental guy (3rd or 4th stringer, short yardage specialist).

    Thought I was having nightmares of Ryan Dinwiddie last nite to tell you the truth. Haven't seen an arm that pitzy (for the pros) since Dinwiddie, Alex Brink, Richie Williams, Charles Roberts....

    Out of the 100 or so guys on the field last nite - I suspect at least 10 will make CFL rosters (probably 3 to 4 hogs, 2 or 3 d-linemen, 1 or 2 LBs, a couple of RBs, 1 kicker (Boomer), 2 or 3 receivers (maybe even 4). Lots of these guys will serve short terms as special teams assassins before finding their way to staring or rotational starting jobs.

    That monster kicker Laval has, is he classified as import or canuck? I'd take him easily in the 2nd round, no later than 3rd round. HUGE LEG, can knock down field goals, too! There's probably 2 guys on Laval who might attract NFL interest (the punter/kicker and the no-mohawk guy arnaud)
     
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    I had thought that the Laval kicker would be classified as a non-import coming from France but his first stop was at Tiffin University which would make him an import.
     
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    Fred Plessius may dominate CIS but he doesn't look fast & would get eaten alive playing the Will or Sam lber spot trying to cover the backs out of the backfield in the CFL. Isn't quick enough to cover the hook-curl-flat in a zone drop. Won't ever be a Mac in the CFL although that is where he should be. Could you see Plesius on Andrew Harris or Cornish? I can't.
     
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    That's the real problem with Laval. Too strong for the CIS but how would they fare against division A US colleges. Not many players make it in the pros and even when they do they find out an 18 game schedule is more grueling than a CIS season against weaker teams.
     
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    Laval has always counted on a run first offense. Every qb I have seen come out of that program can't ever be a CFL qb. The Esks have their fb (Bertrand) who was a qb for Laval a number of years ago. He's a much better fb than he ever was a qb. They have a very intense & intimidating defense but you are right deuvl, as a group they are very good but as individuals I don't know how many of them cut it at the CF... errr... sorry.... NFL level. ;)
    I do agree with Nate about Quinlan. He just pops the ball into an area & the receivers catch it. He throws a very soft ball easy to catch. Even his longer throws are like rainbows. At the CFL level, he'd get killed as a passer. I think he has played his last game as a qb. Sorry to say as I support Canadian qbs but he'd do better to convert to a receiver if he wants to play in the CFL.
     
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    Yes, I see Quinlan as a top CIS athlete who could potentially play a Joe Poplawski type slot or flank position. He's certainly not shy of contact (fluffs like Jade Etienne are) and he's got decent unspectacular speed. He's also tall, about 6'2" which helps and he's not a frail rail like Etienne, he's over 200 lbs. Emergency QB, can toss off the flip pass and he'd be solid as a holder.

    I see Plesius as a Henoc Mumboa type LB, he'll be drafted for special team duties and whoever takes him will try to rotate him into the starting lineup within a year or two (if they use a first round pick on him)

    I like that French running back that ravaged Mac for 250+ rush yds. The Laval QB is inconsequential, he's definitely a ball distributor, nothing more.

    Boomer, despite his import status might be a guy you'd want to place on your neg list. Like, RIGHT F'N NOW!

    Don't think he'd be eligible for the supplemental draft either so as of now he's a free agent. Unless this is his 2nd or 3rd year.
     
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    Plesius was a 2nd round draft pick by Hamilton last year. 10th overall.

    The kicker has 3 years left I believe. 1 year at Tiffin, 1 year at Laval.
     
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    Is somebody who was born in France an import or non import?
     
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    It depends on where they played their first organized football. I believe they'll have to look at that rule and clarify it soon it has long been interpreted as referring to first playing in Canada or the US to determine whether they are non-import or import but Bede first played in France in their league then at Tiffin University. So the French league is technically "organized" but it he was considered eligible for the NCAA so maybe his first "well organized" football is the US and therefore he's an import.

    There are a fair number of international players that if they were given non-import status would be worthwhile in chasing down to bring over. Also folks should look at the Canadians that head to Europe to play. It's better football than some will admit.
     
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    Rod Black said he was an import but that's Rod Black talking....
     
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    Darwin's waiting room =

    Rod Black, Joe Mack, Reinbold, Khalef Mitchell, Draino Belli, Ryback, John Huard, Ross Hodgkinson.

    alternates: Michael Bishop, Steven Jyles, Mongo, Rod Peterson.
     
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    Well yeah if Europeans can dig Jess's tunes they can't be all bad. Still, NFL Europe has been dead for 5 years. Then you wonder why it's a tough sell in European Montreal.
     

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