Sad State Of Sports Infrastructure In Canada

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  1. iso_55

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    An engineering report has condemned the stadium at Queens University. The 43 year old structure holds 10,000 seats & officials at the university are now scrambling for a solution. In addition to football, the stadium is home to the university's mens & womens rugby as well as girls field hockey teams. How are they going to fix this?

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    http://cscilley.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/football-stadium-condemned-at-queens/
     
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    I've been mocked on other boards for suggesting that Canada needs to start building stadiums that are event ready. This is a prime example of why!

    Imagine if something happened to McMahon? The next best facility in Southern Alberta is Shouldice! And after that it's University of Lethbridge which only seats a couple dozen more but have way less parking/access.
     
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    You & I have had these discussions privately & we both agree just how Third World sports infrastructure is in Canada & especially in this city. If it isn't hockey, it doesn't get built without years of political butt kissing & grand standing. Even then, we see it is still problematical as witnbess the arena debate in Edmonton. Seems to be the way it is all across Canada. How Queens will ever replace their stadium now will be the daunting task. But at the same time when it fell into disrepair, is that the fault of the university?? This will cripple their athletic program foir years to come.
     
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    Amazing quote about the stadium at Queen's:

    http://cscilley.wordpress.com/2013/...waste-of-money-fundraising-co-chair-believes/
     
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    Steel was used & a hundred years old??? Wow. Can you imagine if the stadium stands had collapsed??? What are we Bangladesh??? BTW, glad we're not discussing here how everybody's education is superior to the next guy as on another CFL board which has nothing to do with the thread itself.
     
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    And THIS is supposed to be one of the leading CIS football programs??? They deserve to be where they are now for being cheap. No sympathy from me as they had years to remedy the situation. Good luck in recruiting top player to their program. There are other top CIS universities especially in Ontario with obviously superior facilities as well as being academically as good or better.
     
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    Best way to get funding at universities is to embarrass the university and make the alumni irate..... For the Gaels sake, let's hope it works.
     
  8. Bronko

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    The saddest fact is that sports facilities, even simplistic 6,500 to 12,000 seat stadiums are costly affairs. The University of Manitoba last had a stadium built for the Pan-Am games of 1967, an ugly outdoor atrocity holding no more than 8,000 fans, rarely putting more than 1,000 into play for CIS football. The thing deteriorated even more rapidly than Winnipeg Stadium - really decrepit by mid 80s. By happenstance the university only got the new stadium by a land-swap deal with provincial govt. and then only cuz the Bombers had pleaded poverty and near-dissolution. And even then, the new thing wouldn't have been built until someone put a gun to Premier Gunslinger's head and forced him to cough up 150million plus another 55 million in guarantees. Nobody from the private sector was interested.

    A 240 million stadium (probably 320 to 350 million when the overrun bill lofts in) doesn't have the utility to provide even a long-term return on investment during its 40 to 45 year shelf life. Selinger (the NDP Premier) is now under investigation for other misdeeds and changing laws to fit his legislative needs. He could easily have turned down the sports community cuz we don't carry enough votes to change the government. However, someone on the inside probably put the heat on Selinger or his immediate circle and convinced the guy to dip into the public trough. It certainly wasn't Selinger's money. I think Harper also contributed to the deal - but only around 25 or 30 million in federal infrastructure funds.

    Local Winnipeg businesses contributed the following.

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    Yeah but a stadium to hold a CIS team atg Queens is only 5-10,000 seats so easily 1/10th the cost of IGF stadium. The other thing is Queens had 5 decades to fix their stadium woes, used steel that was from WW1 & even the drainage system for the field was in adequate. The university could have put together a solution to build a new stadium years ago but as the story said Queens put money into other things even different athletic facilities. This isn't a 200 million dollar stadium like the one in Winnipeg.
     
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    I feel bad for the players, coaches & their families. It just got much more diufficult to have a team at Queens. For a university that prides itself on it's Masters program in business they sure screwed up here.
     
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    The optics of building marginal 25 to 50 million dollar stadiums and field houses that cater only to the elite college athlete is what holds university administration back from emptying their savings or taking out long term loans.

    The optics look like colleges are favouring elite top level canadian athletes but thats the furthest thing from the truth. Other than football our canadian universities produce scant athletes for the pros. Look at hockey - nadda, nothing! Look at baseball - a couple sporadic poorly-funded programs (U of Winnipeg now has one, bet ya didn't know that), golf (other than Victoria, you can't practice and play golf unless you're going to school in Florida, California, Oklahoma, Georgia, etc., OLYMPIC SPORTS - we produce the odd olympian thru the college programs but usually competitors, rarely medallists; CURLING - a few great curlers come out of the colleges but they play at private clubs. SOCCER - here's one but our college soccer has produced a couple good women players, mens soccer players know their bread is buttered down south on scholarships or if they have the brain-power, in England.

    A typical 35 million dollar mini-stadium (ie. 8,500 to 10,000 seats) should be able to house accredited CIS football & soccer programs, some track 'n field meets (if a track is nearby), outdoor concerts, re-unions, other commercial activities. The model breakdowns of financing should resemble the following:

    PRIVATE MONEY - $5 million (for rights to non-college concerts, events, etc.)
    COLLEGE MONEY - $10 million (via injection of savings or thru long-term mortages)
    PROVINCIAL $$ - $7.5 million
    FEDERAL $$ - $7.5 million (matched infrastructure)
    FUND-RAISING - $5 million (raffles, concerts, gaming, specific lottos, on-site alcohol taxes, student union injections, etc.)

    NOTE: Any new facilities should have adequate training and medical facilities within, expandable media portals (for national events), parking, decent transit access and some advertising opportunities to help defray construction and regular operating costs.
     
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    Here's a reason why students didn't go to a game at Michigan State. Maybe it's the same in Canada.....

    Oh Sparta...
     
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    Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way? What's the matter with kids today?
     

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