The debates: Cornish’s record and the quarterbacks

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  1. Madman

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    The debates: Cornish’s record and the quarterbacks — where do you stand?

     
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    What a Jack Tard Wally is for making that comment. I lost a lot of respect for that man.
     
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    My question to Mr. Buono is: If Lulay breaks the record for most consective games passing shouldn't there be an asterik beside his name because after all didn't Etcheverry set the record with fewer games played as well?

    Or how about Calvillo? Should he have an asterisk beside his name for most yardage? After all he plays in a 18 game schedule instead of 14 or 16 games.

    Without a doubt Normie Kwong set the standard for which all "Canadian born" running backs have strived to reach for the past 56 years. As of last night Cornish's rushing totals will be the new goal to be reached by future running backs.

    Whether Cornish broke the record or not, I think when you lead the league in rushing, passing, sacks, or ints in a season it is a great accomplishment which cannot be taken away.
     
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    Who held the record prior to Kwong?
     
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    Gerry James
     
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    Same amount of games as Kwong?

    Essentially, was there ever a time the record was held by someone with less than 15 games played?
     
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    Yes.

    In 1956 Kwong broke Gerry James' record which had been set the previous year.

    Both players played in 16 game seasons in those years (although it looks like Kwong only played 15 of those games).

    James in turn had broken Kwong's own record of 933 yards which the China Clipper had set in 1951.

    That was the last season the old WIFU (forerunner to today's "Western Division") played a 14 game schedule.

    So Kwong broke James' record when they both played 16 game seasons, but James broke Kwong's original record playing 2 more games than Kwong had to work with when he set the mark in 1951.

    Asterisk, anyone? :D

    TM
     
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    That's exactly what I'm talking about - nice work.
     
  9. redwhite2005

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    So in Wallys world all records should have a Wally star beside them. Wow if this was the case many records in all sports would need them.
     
  10. Rids

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    First thing to note is that consecutive game records and career total records shouldn't be part of this discussion as both of those take into account the number of total games. It's a completely different animal.

    The records previous to 1954 are unofficial as they weren't kept as stats in those days. The WIFU had kept some personal details going back to 1951 but the Big 4 in the East did not, until that point the Football Unions had kept team stats but not what each player individually had done. In addition the West and East played a different number of games during the season as the East only played 14 until 1974 while the West had played with 16 regular season games since 1952.

    1986 was the move to the current 18 game season that we know and love. That said there are 4 individual records that have survived the growth of the season length, none on the offensive side of the ball. 3 of those are from 16 game seasons while 1 is still holding on from a 14 game season.

    Punt Returns
    123 – Jim Sillye (Calgary) 1970

    Interceptions
    15 – Al Brenner (Hamilton) 1972* [14 games]

    Most Fumble Return Yards
    146 – Al Washington (Ottawa) 1984

    QB Sacks
    26.5 – James Parker (Winnipeg) 1984

    Let's also keep in mind that the Cornish record was strictly a non-import (read Canadian) record. 1,457 yards sits 32nd overall for the CFL single season total and sits 8th for the Calgary franchise list (with the top 2 seasons both accomplished in a 16 game season). Somewhere Mike Pringle is shaking his head at this record talk and looking at the award on his wall that says 2,065 yards - 1998.

    Also keep in mind that downfield blocking was illegal when Normie Kwong and Gerry James were playing. Outside the initial surge of the line it was all about the defense getting to stack players in the box and not be impeded in any manner.

    Personally I would not be surprised if there were a few more big seasons hiding the realm of history during the years when nobody felt it important to track what one player was doing.
     
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    My first year at McGill. Man no one has ever come close.
     
  12. iso_55

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    What about Wally's record? He had an 18 game season to work with the entire time to become the CFL's winningest coach. Guys like Bud Grant or Frank Clair didn't. Wally should just STHU & worry about his team...
     
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    and with that we begin the final game of what has been quite a wacky regular season. Kudos to every one on this board for making this a fun 2012 season with more thrills to come in the playoffs.
     
  14. Rids

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    A career record also mentions the games played. Wally is the winningest coach in the CFL but also is the losingest coach in the CFL with a lifetime record of 254-139-3. By winning percentage he sits 6th.

    In a unique twist it's Frank Claire that has coached the most playoff games in CFL history (40) and won the most playoff games in CFL history (22) but remember that he had the advantage of coaching in an era when the playoffs were a series rather than a single game. In the end even for his 22 wins Frank Claire only coached 6 Grey Cup games.
     
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    I can see both sides to this argument.
     
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    Wally has been in the CFL long enough to know that he looks stupid saying what he did. Just congratulate the winners & be done with it.
     

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